Ep47 Jonathan Troen - From Punk Rock to Mindfulness: Transform Your Inner Critic into Your Biggest Ally

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Jonathan Troen
In fact, if we worked for another company

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Jonathan Troen
in. Our boss spoke to us the way we speak to ourselves. We would report that person to HR and quit.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yes.

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Jonathan Troen
We are our own worst bosses. Yes, we are unrelenting and unforgiving.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Hey, hey. Welcome to a podcast where dreams meet. Determination and success is just around the corner. I'm your host, Suzanne Taylor King. And I'm here to help you unlock the full potential of your business and your life. Welcome to Unlock Your Way with SDK. Let's unlock your path to success together.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Good morning everyone. Suzanne Taylor King here with another live episode of Unlock Your Way with stock. And we are here today with a brand new friend of mine, Jonathan Trewin, self-love coach. Welcome, Jonathan.

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Jonathan Troen
So happy to be here with you. Thank you so much.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Oh, I'm so excited for this conversation today in full transparency, everyone. Jonathan and I were introduced by Craig Bruce, a dear friend and collaboration partner of mine, and we've never had a conversation. And so everybody who's listening today will get to experience a brand new conversation, a little rapport building, and also the ability to learn what Jonathan does as I learn what he does.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
So I'm really excited for this.

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Jonathan Troen
And Craig, by the way, was on our very first Self-love Revolution Summit that we had back in what what was it 2020 I think in 2010. Right. So yeah. Chris hold back. Yeah. He was on our very first summit. Beautiful.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
So amazing. Yes, we had the chance to meet in person back in May after knowing each other in the online space, and he was just such a valued member of one of my group coaching programs and just an incredible, incredible facilitator as well.

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Jonathan Troen
Yeah, definitely. We love Craig.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk a little bit about the self-love journey. And how did you get to this place of doing this work?

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Jonathan Troen
Yeah. Well, that's a it sounds like a short question, but it's a big one. But I also.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Was blessed to.

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Jonathan Troen
To what? I can be short on it. So I spent I spent 20 years in the entertainment business. I was interviewing the biggest stars in the world. I was living the life of my dreams. You know, they say creating the life you want. So I created the life I want. I actually started a company called La live. I was really into music, and I wanted to see free concerts and interview, dance.

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Jonathan Troen
So I started a company called L.A. live to do that, and we broadcast concerts. And I got backstage and I interviewed the bands, and it was it was an amazing life. I took three blocks from the beach. I could see the sunset out my window. There was only one problem. I wasn't happy, and now I'm like, this doesn't make any sense.

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Jonathan Troen
Like I'm achieving my goals, right? Great goal. If you want to achieve your goals, work hard. All this stuff. So I had great successes, but I still wasn't happy because I still had this voice in my head that was going well. That person's doing better than you are. You're not that good. You still suck. Remember that little kid that was beat up on the playground and, you know, in junior high, right?

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Jonathan Troen
All those other stories were still there and, and just a teeny side story. So I had moved from Boston to Denmark, from Denmark to LA. From then I was in the middle of LA, and then I, I got to get closer to the beach. That's why I moved here. So I moved to Santa Monica, 11 blocks from the beach.

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Jonathan Troen
It was great for a little while, but then it was too far from the beach. So then I moved to Third Street and there I was, sun. Sun setting out my window, you know. Okay. Yeah, just a little quick setup because this is where a big change happened. So there I am. I'm walking along. It's a place if anyone knows Santa Monica, California, this this lovely art overlooking the ocean called Palisades Park.

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Jonathan Troen
And I would go there almost every night and walk. And, I didn't like the voices in my head, so I shut out the outside world and the inside world by listening to to, music on my headphones. So I'm there walking, strolling. And this song comes on that I had heard at least hundreds, if not thousands of times before, song by Social Distortion.

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Jonathan Troen
I had interviewed the band. We broadcast the band live. I had interviewed Mike Nass, so it's like, you know, I, I mean, I'm nothing. I was friends with these guys, but I knew this these guys, they knew the song. And here were the words that came out. You can run, what have the exact lyrics? I might be getting this wrong now, I've told this story a lot, but, it's not going to me.

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Jonathan Troen
You can run all you want, but not go anywhere. Now go on. You can run all you want, but not go anywhere. I never heard those lyrics before, and I've heard the song thousands of times and I, I literally stopped in my tracks and I'm gone. Oh my God. To Denmark de la seven months now. But being gone, my power is that me and I really at that time.

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Jonathan Troen
At that time I really thought all I need to do is get closer to the beaches on third Street. When I have that house, I can picture it. That was on the beach. It was on the beach, it had a pool. And then there was the sand. And then you walk to the ocean. I still don't fully understand the pools by the ocean thing, but it looked cool back then.

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Jonathan Troen
I go when I have that house and I'm going to get it, then I'll be happy. I was just postponing happiness. Anyone ever, ever do that? I will be happy when. Yeah. So I had hundreds of I will be happy when because I achieved. I'm not going to keep every goal I ever set out, but I achieved a lot of them.

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Jonathan Troen
I interviewed my idols, I did amazing things, I achieved a lot of goals, and as soon as I achieved it, I said, okay, what's my next goal? And I'll be happy when that happens, right?

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Well, you kept rubberband, you kept you kept moving the goalposts.

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Jonathan Troen
Exactly. And that's what we all do. We have achieved something, right? We'll say, well, when I get the new car, I'll be happy to get a new car. And it is great. You got the new car smell. Hey, that's toxic people. You know, and we're happy for, like, two weeks and then. Yeah, let's go live. So, we need a new house.

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Jonathan Troen
Okay, so we get the new house. You know, none of that makes you happy.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah.

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Jonathan Troen
It all just magnifies what's inside. And what I had inside the now is, like, years later, looking back, what I had inside. What is all these stories that were formed when I was younger about how I just was not good enough. And it didn't matter what I did, who I interviewed, who I worked with, what I put out there, what I produced, what I created, there was always someone I could compare myself to that was doing something cool or better, bigger, more money, bigger house.

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Jonathan Troen
I was on third Street to go to the beach, which I could have my feet in the water in ten minutes to go to the beach. I had to walk past second Street, then past the ocean, and then past the houses that were on the beach. And every time I do that, I'm going up. Oh don't I suck.

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Jonathan Troen
And it's just this comparison thing. Yeah. So that, that was it. I maybe it was a longer answer. I wanted to go with the shorter answer. But a thumb.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
No it's no good because one it gave me a whole insight into what you used to do, you know, in your prior career it was a huge social Distortion fan, by the way.

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Jonathan Troen
Love it.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah. So we have lots of music conversations to have about my punker and new new wave days. You know, back then.

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Jonathan Troen
No, I believe that I was a former punk rocker and I step all my Nicea into punk rock bars. Yeah, yeah, now. But if you would have told that guy, you know, when he was 20, even 30, that he'd be he'd own a yoga studio in Austin, Texas, and he'd be espousing self-love and self-compassion. He would have laughed in you spit in your face.

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Jonathan Troen
I it it's so boring. But this is this is where success lies.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yes, it's really the evolution of it. Right at my I have a 15 year old son and he found a picture of me in, in this photo box from my, you know, punker, you know, late high school, early college days and short shaved hair with blue ends and my nose pierced. And he was like, who is this?

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Jonathan Troen
Oh.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Like, ooh, who's that? Said, that's me. He was like, I don't even believe it. He he he just couldn't see it. And now we've had numerous conversations about who you are in high school isn't who you are when you're 50 some years old. It is so, so different if you allow yourself to evolve and grow. Now.

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Jonathan Troen
It's really interesting. Suzanne. So there was so many messages in that music, which at least for me, I wasn't in a space to understand. So I still listen to Social Distortion and I don't remember the name of the song, but but pull out the album. White light, white heat, white white trash. I'm sure you got it. If you're.

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Jonathan Troen
Yeah, yeah, that will I forget what you say. If you, if you listen. If you read out the song names, I'll know I'll know the title. But one of the lyrics is, how can you live? How can you love anyone if you can't love yourself? Oh, so. And I'm like, Mike ness. I was singing that back in the 90s and I'm gone.

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Jonathan Troen
I never, I didn't, I never heard the lyric back then even though I heard the song. Yeah. Listening to the CD, streamed it, watch them play it live. And I never heard those lyrics. And now when I hear it, it means something totally different to me. And and in others. There are a lot of punk songs I honestly don't relate to any more, because I don't want to blow up the world, and I'm not pissed off at the world and and yeah, they'll come on and my, you know, the random you know, Spotify play is like, man, I love that song, but I don't love that song because I just, I don't I

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Jonathan Troen
don't relate to the anger that's in it anymore. It's a really odd experience not to relate to the music that you love. But that's a that's a whole nother story. But then there are these messages like this that go, how can you love anyone if you don't love yourself? And he's sharing about how he didn't love himself.

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Jonathan Troen
I like I would like to interview Mike ness now about some of those songs, now that I understand them in a brand new way.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah. Because, you know, when you think about that, I'm thinking about, late 80s, I had, a cassette tape that was stuck in my car so I couldn't get it out. So my choice was, listen to the radio or listen to this tape. That was the only choice. And I remember every single word to every song on that cassette tape.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
It was Rage Against the Machine, by the way. And some of those songs back then really resonated with me. And the business I had at the time and what I was doing in the world and now when I listen, you know, 30 some years later, I still like the music, the B, the, you know, but I don't resonate with the words anymore.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
And it's so interesting how that happens. I heard what it is.

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Jonathan Troen
And I gotta be honest, Tom Morello might be one of the smartest people I've ever interviewed. He he's really brilliant. I mean, he went to Harvard and studied political science there, and he.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Knew that.

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Jonathan Troen
He's he's he's incredibly smart. And and when you, you talk about, you know, people, you know, spout their, their opinions like he, he has the knowledge, he, he backs it up with, with details. He is the rich, really intelligent person. And I agree with you, I, they just came on yesterday in my car and I'm like, I'm not I'm not that angry.

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Jonathan Troen
I mean, I remember the first time I saw the band and I was in Denmark, at the Roskilde Festival, and there were a hundred thousand people, you know, just yelling, yeah, f you out. You, you know, that that whole the whole chant and, and and it was and but when, when you practice, here's what you guys need to know.

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Jonathan Troen
Especially if you, if you have a lot of that anger in you, which makes sense because media is feeding you a lot of anger. Media, fear sells more than I need for some reason. Fear is iris. It spreads. Love is a virus. This spreads for some reason, and I don't fully understand why the virus of fear spreads faster than the virus of love and the virus of kindness.

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Jonathan Troen
Although they are both viruses and you can. You can spread them out. But for those that still feel some of that angst inside, when you when you really begin to practice, the these I call them skills and I call them skills because a skill can be practiced and you get better at it the more you practice. Just like piano, basketball, whatever it is, and the more you practice these, these skills, the better you get at it.

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Jonathan Troen
And it's not that you never get angry anymore. Of course we all get angry, but it begins to to dissipate, greatly. And you, you, instead of surrounding yourself. I mean, I used to surround myself with these angry people. Yeah. You know, and we all banging into each other slam dancing. Yeah. And, the need for that anger into blame, right?

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Jonathan Troen
Blame before the call, Suzanne and I were talking about the inner critics, the saboteurs, and they're the 13 saboteurs. So one of them is blame, right? And it's blaming of others is blaming ourselves so that the blame isn't there so much. We don't we don't spend our whole day blaming. Whose fault is this? And if it's someone else's fault, we want to.

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Jonathan Troen
We want them to feel pain. If it's our fault, we want ourselves to feel pain, which is just so weird. But you know it's true, right? We've all done that. Well, you screwed up and you suck and all that kind of stuff. We all have that self-talk. Your experience, in life really does really does change. Sometimes it's uncomfortable.

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Jonathan Troen
I can't listen to that music anymore. More the same way.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah.

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Jonathan Troen
My son is like, why do you listen to that? That curtain music was not. It's kind of peaceful, you know. But then Belinda Carlisle, you grew up in the 80s, so, you know Belinda Carlisle. Yeah. She she put out a curtain record, you know, a bunch of years ago. It's it's incredible.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
So yeah I well I love what you're saying because you know there was a point and I don't remember how old I was, but there was a point where I became aware of the inner voice and I you know before that it was just oh that's who I am. You know, the voice was me. The voice was me talking to me, and I don't know when it was.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
And I realized that what that voice was saying to me was not true. And I was like, wait a minute, why is it lying to me? Why am I lying to. Oh, maybe it's not really me. And it was like this esoteric, you know, meta perspective of mindset. I think I was studying mindset at the time, positive psychology and one of my teachers at that time said something about resilience and being gritty and being able to, you know, move past life.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
You're not life's challenges. And I asked that question, well, then, if I'm not my challenges, I'm not the voice in my head either. And it really was a shaky time in my life because you're realizing that you've been BSing yourself for so long. Well, then what's really true?

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Jonathan Troen
Yeah. And, I want to share this part because I think there's a journey that people take when they learn about the inner critic, when they learn about the saboteur, or some people call it a gremlin. There are different names for this, but but it's all the same thing. The voices in your head, the inner judge. And there are variations of the inner judge, the perfectionist procrastinator, the victim, the defender, the complainer.

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Jonathan Troen
And so at first we might hear, like you said, well, well, they're not us, right? They aren't. And they are. They aren't us, and they are us at the same time. Because when I first learned about this, it's like, okay, how do we get rid of this? How do we move this voice over here so that we can focus over here?

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Jonathan Troen
And while that does work, the problem is it works, but it works temporarily. So you're okay. I'm going to I'm going to move perfectionist over there. And I'm going to I'm going to get to work and it's going to be okay. But at least I'll deliver something. Right. Because because let's not let let perfect be be the, you know, stop good from happening right.

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Jonathan Troen
But it always comes back. It always comes back and it always comes back. So what we actually need to do? My truth. My opinion. Just me. I don't know anything, but this is what I've discovered for me. Not a doctor, not a therapist that we need to befriend our saboteurs and inner critics. They're afraid they have every reason to be afraid when we go.

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Jonathan Troen
I understand you're afraid. And it makes sense because, hey, are we living in kind of a bad stuff? And there are great things about the world. We can look at all the beautiful things happening in the world. But yeah, there's a little divisiveness going on right now. I would say, and here in the United States and other parts of the world, so there are messed up things going on in the world.

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Jonathan Troen
And it makes sense. You can say, I understand that you're afraid and you're scared and it's okay. And I'm not afraid of your emotions. I'm not afraid of the words you're saying. And if we can begin to treat these voices like they're a scared five year old, if it's a five year old in the street, like screaming or on the playground or whatever, you want to yell at them, go away!

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Jonathan Troen
Stop yelling. What would you do? You'd run to them, right? You'd pick them up and hold them and say, it's okay, I'm here for you. I'm here for you.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah.

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Jonathan Troen
And part of the problem is that many of us have been told our whole lives, I call this the Big three. Don't be sad. Don't be angry. Don't be afraid. I have been told those things.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yes, sir.

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Jonathan Troen
Basically, when people say that you. They're saying, don't be human.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Don't be emotional.

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Jonathan Troen
But it's really don't be human. Because can you? Yeah. To the person on the planet that's never been sad. Never been angry, never be afraid. These are simply human emotions. If you believe in God, hey, God created you with these emotions. So God's not making mistakes, you know? And if you don't believe in God, that's okay too. I don't I don't care.

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Jonathan Troen
Yeah, but when we can befriend these parts of ourselves, not make them wrong. Oh, that's the angry part of me. You're bad. Oh, that's the sad part of me. I'm not. So if someone told me I'm not supposed to be sad because I should look at all my gifts. Well, yeah, but if they're saying it's their right.

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Jonathan Troen
You ever see anyone ever say to you? Or have you ever said to someone there's no reason to be sad? Never say that to someone. If someone says there's a reason you may not agree with Vick, it may be a dumb reason. We might all agree is a dumb reason. But there's a reason they're sad. There's a reason they're angry when we can befriend these emotions, when we invite them in and hold them like a five year old child and you say, yeah, got you.

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Jonathan Troen
You're okay. You're safe in my arms. Then they begin to lose their power over you.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
I, I love that so much. I had I'll share that. Just a couple days ago, I was looking for a recipe for the holidays. A friend wanted the recipe, so I said, I'll find it, and then I'll send you a picture of it. And I found the recipe on this old piece of paper, and I opened it up to take a picture, and it was in my mother's handwriting.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
And of course, I know that. I know that this recipe came from my mother. I know that it was in her, you know, little file recipes that I have. So of course, I'm I'm prepared that. But something hit me when I saw my mother's handwriting, and it's been more than 20 years since she passed away, and I just allowed the emotion of seeing her handwriting, remembering making recipes with her, our kitchen, the chair I used to sit in as a kid.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Like all the things, all the fields. And while it was sad, it was also happy memories. And my son walked up to me and he said, what's wrong? And it kind of snapped me out of the moment. I said, nothing's wrong at all. I was just remembering my mom and the recipes, and he said, what made you remember?

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Suzanne Taylor-King
And I said, seeing her handwriting. And he said, that's weird. In the future there won't be those things because of technology. Like people don't write things down anymore. And he looked at the handwriting and he said she wrote recipes in cursive. It's well, yes, because everything was in cursive. And we had this little laugh about, you know what that's going to look like 50 years from now for him.

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Suzanne Taylor-King
And he said, I don't want to think about that. And I said, no, I, I, I want you to feel like I feel right now I'm feeling this mix of sad but happy memories, you know, and you're allowed to feel sad, but you're also allowed to have a memory that is both. And he it was such a beautiful conversation about allowing emotions.

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Jonathan Troen
I love that story, and I love how you shared that. You can experience happiness and sadness at the same time. Yeah, because there are a lot of, teachings out there, that say you can't have two emotions at once that that, you know, if you're feeling something, if you're feeling a negative emotion, there are no negative emotions.

00:25:28:07 - 00:25:52:23
Jonathan Troen
They're just human emotions. And they might have a higher vibration, a lower vibration, but there's no such thing as a negative emotion but that, you know. So if you're feeling sad, just, you know, think of something joyful and that will cover up your, your sadness. And I think it's it's a really important lesson to understand that you can have more than one emotion at the same time, and you can be sad and joyous at the same time.

00:25:53:00 - 00:26:16:05
Jonathan Troen
You can even be angry and joyous at the same time. You can be angry about something but still feel the joy, right? Your child might be driving you nuts and you can have some anger. Try not to yell at them. Regulate your own nervous system first before you try and regulate theirs. I'll say that again if you didn't hear me regulate your own nervous system before you try and regulate anyone else's nervous system, you get okay.

00:26:16:05 - 00:26:45:21
Jonathan Troen
But so you can be you can be at least frustrated that they're not going to sleep. And it's 10:00 at night and their bedtime was 830. And you can experience the joy that, hey, you have your child in your home with you because, you know, some people due to wars and, and, and craziness in this world and, and things at the border and all this kind of stuff that some people don't have, their children don't wake up with their own children, you know, and I'm not talking about they're out of the house after college.

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Jonathan Troen
I'm talking about young children. So, so you can be frustrated and still hold joy that, hey, if we gather, you know, they didn't set up their room, and that's frustrating, but they're playing with toys, you know?

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah, I, I love that you acknowledge that it is possible to feel a multitude of emotions at the same time. And I think one of the magical things about becoming more emotionally intelligent with yourself, and for me, that's part of the self-love journey. You can't love yourself until you understand your own emotions. This idea of feeling 2 or 3 or, you know, if you ask me in the moment, thinking about my mom, am I angry with her for passing away so young?

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Suzanne Taylor-King
Yes. Am I happy with my childhood? Yes. Am I sad she's not here today to experience, you know, my life and my son. And yes, all of those things go into making you human.

00:28:00:09 - 00:28:34:26
Jonathan Troen
Yeah. And this is where it gets a little woo woo. Locked it out. When I learned this, it was woowoo. But now it's actually embedded in therapeutic systems. I think it's called family systems therapy. Okay, let's take it again. I'm not a therapist. But it's now you have these different parts of you, right? So you have sadness and and you have anger now, and because she passed away too early, and you have joyousness because while you did have a good childhood, now you take these people, so to speak, they're parts of you.

00:28:34:29 - 00:28:56:00
Jonathan Troen
They're, they're they're literally parts of you. So they're not not you. They are you that parts of you. Now you put them in a room together and you actually have them talk to each other in. Sometimes in your practice, that's enough. You can take a step back. The you that you kind of know is you, and you just watch them talk to each other.

00:28:56:02 - 00:29:06:18
Jonathan Troen
And it's fascinating what you learn. It's fascinating. You discover what your emotions need from you. Do you know you can talk to your emotions? You can say, sadness. What do you need from me right now?

00:29:06:21 - 00:29:07:07
Suzanne Taylor-King
Oh yeah.

00:29:07:10 - 00:29:32:17
Jonathan Troen
You will get an answer. You can say anger. What do you need from me right now? And you will get an answer. Usually it's not an answer that resonates with your conscious belief system because it's not what you've been taught. Don't be sad, angry, all this other stuff. But that answer that comes to you, that first or not, the one that that.

00:29:32:17 - 00:29:56:29
Jonathan Troen
Oh, no, that's not right. Let me, let me let me analyze all the teachings I've ever had from my parents for my teachers, from the media marketers, you know, from from all the car commercials and the alcohol commercials. Oh, I'm sad. I need to go get a drink. That's what I need to do. So forget all of that and ask what they need from you and then do it.

00:29:57:01 - 00:30:20:00
Jonathan Troen
Just do this as a scientific experiment. Maybe it maybe I'm fully wrong, but just the next time you feel something you don't want to feel, or you're saying something to yourself or you don't want to say ask, ask yourself what's needed in view. The first thing that said that thing you don't want to do, and maybe it's you have to do something, or maybe you have to call something that you don't really want to call or or whatever it is, just do it and then see what happens, and then call me and let me know.

00:30:20:00 - 00:30:21:28
Jonathan Troen
I'm kind of easy to find for better.

00:30:22:00 - 00:30:59:17
Suzanne Taylor-King
I love that so much because it's so tangible. And, you know, my work is typically with business owners, entrepreneurs, a lot of them are in the online space, and a lot of them are in that comparison ideas, you know, and I'm asking them to put on blinders and not not look at what other people are doing, not be reactive to the news and politics and religion and all of those things that can cloud who you are, what you're putting out into the world.

00:30:59:19 - 00:31:28:24
Suzanne Taylor-King
And I think the hardest, hardest part and you, you touched on this so beautifully is actually making it emotional management more attainable. And, I'm thinking back to when I was a health coach helping people, eat healthier. And one of the biggest hang ups was going into the kitchen and there the Oreo cookies. There they are. They're sitting right there in front of you and they're talking to you.

00:31:28:29 - 00:32:07:23
Suzanne Taylor-King
Oh, just have one. It's no big deal. Just have one. And one turns into 5 or 6. And just the act of putting them in the trash or in a cabinet, you're not allowed to go into changed people's results. And I believe what you're saying is noticing the emotion. Oh, hey, I'm feeling this morning I was feeling a little overwhelmed with my to do list today, and I just said, I'll get done with what gets done.

00:32:07:25 - 00:32:26:24
Suzanne Taylor-King
And there's it's all good things. There's no reason to attach a negative emotion to them. And just that simple stop of acknowledging can be life changing for your stress levels.

00:32:26:27 - 00:32:53:25
Jonathan Troen
You have to learn how to pause. Yes, you have to learn how to deal an emotion in pause. And you know, you mentioned, you know, eating, eating cookies. So I believe, you know, people say that that we go to eat because it's something we can control. I'm not sure that's true. New research on addiction is is showing.

00:32:53:25 - 00:33:07:02
Jonathan Troen
Yes, there may be a chemical propensity, but it's not just that that we become addicted because we don't want to feel a sensation. We are feeling in this moment.

00:33:07:04 - 00:33:07:22
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah.

00:33:07:24 - 00:33:29:12
Jonathan Troen
And while yes, we can control our eating when we eat because it goes into our stomach and our stomach starts digesting, it changes the feelings we're having. It actually changes the feelings the minute it goes into our mouth. Right. There's a sensation of chewing. And if if you meditate or or if you take meditation courses, often they'll have you eat a raisin for, for 20 or 30 minutes.

00:33:29:12 - 00:33:48:08
Jonathan Troen
One raisin. Right. Because you're studying the sensations of, of the raisin, first you look at and then in your mouth. So when you eat, you're the all the sensations in your body begin to change. You no longer need to feel what you were feeling before. Same if you if you have a drink, you don't feel what you were feeling before.

00:33:48:08 - 00:34:12:18
Jonathan Troen
If you go shopping, you no need to feel what you're feeling before. If you watch TV, you don't need to feel you feeling before. The problem is that when the food where it wears off, when it's digested, when the alcohol wears off, when you're done shopping, when the TV show is over, whatever you feeling comes back. Yes. And because you buried it, it's like burying a plan usually comes back bigger and stronger.

00:34:12:20 - 00:34:34:12
Jonathan Troen
So in order to stop that, we get to pause and just go, okay, this is what I'm feeling and okay, I have tightness in my chest, my heart is beating and I'm feeling kind of hot. Okay. Sadness, you know, throat or stomach? When you really pause in study, like you're a journalist, not the current journalist, which which spout their opinions.

00:34:34:12 - 00:34:56:24
Jonathan Troen
I mean, I mean, like, you know, Walter Cronkite, okay, journalism, you know, telling the story when you become the observer, you're not involved in it, you're observing it. Yeah. It loses its control over you. And depending on how deeply seeded the emotion is in 30s, it can disappear in ten minutes. It can disappear maybe. Maybe a few days, depending.

00:34:57:00 - 00:35:16:19
Jonathan Troen
But if you stop fighting it and welcome it, if you stop trying to change it, let me just have a drink and I can have a good weekend. And I don't need to feel this anymore. And I'm not going to say alcohol's bad. I never given up drinking. I've never stopped smoking pot. Although I haven't smoked pot for probably 25 years.

00:35:16:21 - 00:35:19:20
Jonathan Troen
Never gave it up. My wow. Did you then?

00:35:19:22 - 00:35:20:09
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah.

00:35:20:11 - 00:35:43:07
Jonathan Troen
Want it anymore? Because I actually want to feel. I actually want to feel what I'm feeling, even though part of me doesn't, because it's kind of suck sometimes. But when we can just embrace it, it doesn't have that hold over you. And then you get the things done that you need to get done. And, you know, can I take a moment to address?

00:35:43:07 - 00:35:45:26
Jonathan Troen
Yeah. The business owners and entrepreneurs out there.

00:35:46:03 - 00:35:48:13
Suzanne Taylor-King
Solutely.

00:35:48:15 - 00:35:54:20
Jonathan Troen
Most of you are aholes. I don't know if I'm allowed to swear here. Well, we gotta be clear.

00:35:54:26 - 00:35:56:00
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah. We curse.

00:35:56:02 - 00:36:03:00
Jonathan Troen
Nah, most of you are assholes. Not to other people. To yourselves.

00:36:03:03 - 00:36:04:25
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yes.

00:36:04:27 - 00:36:19:23
Jonathan Troen
In fact, if we worked for another company in. Our boss spoke to us the way we speak to ourselves. We would report that person to HR and quit.

00:36:19:25 - 00:36:20:21
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yes.

00:36:20:23 - 00:36:52:21
Jonathan Troen
We are our own worst bosses. Yes, we are unrelenting and unforgiving. And that's why for entrepreneurs, the, the mental health issues that come up, the suicides or attempted suicides are twice as common as in the in the rest of our society. And people have different theories of this. No one's known says they know why people have differences.

00:36:52:21 - 00:36:56:07
Suzanne Taylor-King
I think it's because we're always comparing ourselves to other people.

00:36:56:14 - 00:37:14:16
Jonathan Troen
Yeah, my theory is because we're assholes, we're assholes to ourselves, which includes that comparison. A whole lot of lack of self-love and self-compassion. And and you make a you have a success and and you ignore it because you got the next thing to do your to do list. So yeah. Okay. Yeah, I did.

00:37:14:18 - 00:37:17:23
Suzanne Taylor-King
I had this morning Jonathan. Yes.

00:37:17:26 - 00:37:39:04
Jonathan Troen
Because that's everything that was in my head because we're not all that different from each other. Really not so, yes. Because all that was in my head. So I do know a lot of what's in your head, and that's what we do. And then when we make a mistake, what do we do? We beat ourselves up. I remember, yeah.

00:37:39:06 - 00:37:58:28
Jonathan Troen
And I was interviewing Cher. Right, a great day. You're interviewing one of the icons, Lionel. And now what do I do that night when I look in the mirror and review my day, I focus on. Oh, you forgot to ask that question. Oh, you didn't do bad. Oh, that's like, are you kidding me? You just interviewed Cher. No one else knows what questions you were.

00:37:59:00 - 00:38:16:03
Jonathan Troen
You thought you were going to ask, right? Well, we eat our cells up, and then we go to bed like that, and then we wake up the next day and we're like, oh my God, another day. Where's my to do list? So I can just get through this and maybe I'll be able to have a drink tonight and get rid of that.

00:38:16:05 - 00:38:38:18
Jonathan Troen
Yeah. This is treadmill. We're on Fox, so you got to stop. Just put pause on the treadmill, feel what you're feeling. Stay something kind. Yes. That was my my old habit. That's what I did. I brush my teeth at night. Two minutes. And I would sit there and then review my day and review everything I screwed up, even on great days, like interviewing Cher or interviewing Yahoo or interviewing Green Day.

00:38:38:18 - 00:39:00:05
Jonathan Troen
Right? And then all these people and I focus on the bad stuff. Or maybe someone said no to an interview, right? I, I didn't get get, someone. Right. Or or you'll you'll appreciate this. I interviewed x, one of the greatest interviews I ever did ezine, and gave me the whole history of punk rock and all this stuff.

00:39:00:07 - 00:39:02:03
Jonathan Troen
I didn't record.

00:39:02:05 - 00:39:27:27
Suzanne Taylor-King
Oh, listen, I had a workshop yesterday that was so good. You know, I'm getting all these messages. That was so great. Thank you so much. Can't wait for the no. And I only recorded half of it because I sent everybody into breakout rooms. And I didn't want to record myself sitting there waiting for them to come back. So I hit pause.

00:39:27:29 - 00:39:59:28
Suzanne Taylor-King
And I'm so in the moment when I'm teaching a workshop that I forgot to hit start, and I said, I was beating myself up for about two seconds. And then I thought, oh, okay, I will just do a couple clips from the workshop. I will share the whole recording, I will share all of my notes, and I will do this workshop again to a bigger audience.

00:39:59:28 - 00:40:32:15
Suzanne Taylor-King
So outside of my community and I just thought, okay, so that's an opportunity to grow. It's an opportunity to realize I've gotten bigger, I've gotten better at this, and maybe I need to have an admin on every workshop with me to manage the screen, share, manage the recording, manage the breakout rooms so that I can focus on my zone of genius instead of your stupid.

00:40:32:18 - 00:40:53:02
Jonathan Troen
Yeah, but how many is how many of you watching? If you did something that like that, you start beating yourself up? Yeah. Months or years? Yeah. It's time for for this little thing. So what, you're what you're leading to. Yeah. So we get to pause. Now I would put in I didn't used to, but I put in a step before.

00:40:53:04 - 00:40:54:13
Jonathan Troen
What can I learn?

00:40:54:15 - 00:40:55:03
Suzanne Taylor-King
Okay.

00:40:55:06 - 00:41:20:17
Jonathan Troen
Really important step. And I call this the number one skill we have never been taught. And that is the skill of forgiveness. And there are three paths of forgiveness. Forgiving others who've done you wrong, asking forgive forgiveness from others who've done you wrong, and forgiveness of yourself and what we're talking about is forgiveness of self. And it's one of the hardest things.

00:41:20:19 - 00:41:35:28
Jonathan Troen
And when you can pause right when you when you begin to treat yourself like a friend because of a friend, did that friend came to you and said, I just did this amazing thing and I didn't record it. Or, you know, I just had this, this meeting and I totally blew it. You know what? What would you do?

00:41:35:28 - 00:41:54:27
Jonathan Troen
You say, you would say, hey, come on in, have a cup of tea, sit and sit on the couch. I'll give you a hug. I got your back. Right. That's what we say to friends. We say, I know what you did was hard. And maybe, like it is a mistake you can't recover from. You know, that really sucks.

00:41:55:00 - 00:42:21:22
Jonathan Troen
And I got your back. So when we can forgive ourselves, when we can treat ourselves like a friend and say, hey, Jonathan, man, you messed up. It's okay. I got your back. Yeah. You don't have to worry about this anymore. Then at the end of the day, we can go to sleep with ease, wake up with ease, and be excited about the next day.

00:42:21:22 - 00:42:42:25
Jonathan Troen
And how many people can we serve? Can we help? Can we ceasefire? Can we? Can we change their lives? That this is what I say every single night before I go to bed, I share with you what I used to do right? I used to review my day and go over everything that went wrong. So this is what I do now.

00:42:42:29 - 00:43:18:09
Jonathan Troen
I take a few moments to celebrate all the successes. Hey, this went well. I acknowledge the mistakes and then I say these words. I forgive myself and anyone else who has hurt me or offended me physically, emotionally or monetarily, knowingly or unknowingly. You wish no harm. I accept this moment as it is in. I release myself from any future pain.

00:43:18:12 - 00:43:43:26
Jonathan Troen
Okay, go rewind it. Play it again. Write it down. Put it on your mirror. It releases everything that I did wrong, right? The other day I didn't regulate myself first. And I yelled at my son. I noticed it, and then I regulated myself. And then I apologized, okay, and explained to him what I was going through.

00:43:43:29 - 00:43:53:06
Jonathan Troen
Yeah. Here's what happened to me. My when this happened, my body tensed up. I kind of walk him through the whole thing. So to model it and so he could really understand what was happening.

00:43:53:09 - 00:43:54:09
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah.

00:43:55:06 - 00:44:11:17
Jonathan Troen
Like that. And I forgave myself for it. Boom. Done. It's gone. Anyone else that that kind of annoyed me. Your significant other that left something in the sink that you just clean and you're pissed off about it again. Hey, they did the best they could. They really did. They did the best they could. And you forgive them.

00:44:11:17 - 00:44:35:24
Jonathan Troen
Can you not wish them harm. Yeah. And when we can do that we release our selves from that future pain. You don't have to replay the story in your head for the next day, week, month, years. How many of you are beating yourself up from something that happened more than ten years ago? I Spears, we all do it.

00:44:35:27 - 00:44:45:00
Jonathan Troen
I know you are, because we all do. You don't have to anymore. So did you, Nick. You weren't.

00:44:45:03 - 00:45:25:19
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah, well, it's it's reminding me of something I heard years ago that an emotion can only be experienced for 90s. And then anything longer than that is you repeating or ruminating. And I thought, oh, so that thing I did when I was 12, that got me told and punished and yelled at and whatever, me feeling any certain way about that mistake is just me.

00:45:25:21 - 00:45:52:10
Suzanne Taylor-King
There's no emotion left in that. And the same goes for something that happened yesterday. Me not hitting record. If I'm going to repeat the stupid emotion, I'm just repeating something in my own head and I think that was so powerful for me. Like, feel it for 90s and then let it go.

00:45:52:12 - 00:45:56:07
Jonathan Troen
Forgive you really feel it, really heal it. Yeah.

00:45:56:09 - 00:45:57:13
Suzanne Taylor-King
Really feel it.

00:45:57:15 - 00:46:23:17
Jonathan Troen
Yeah, yeah. It's I, I, I read that too and I was so powerful. Wow. 90s and everything else is just me repeating the story. Because when there's an input, there's an uncontrolled physiological response. And yeah, input can be something you see, something you hear, something you touch. It can also be something. You think so somebody says something to you, you get angry about it.

00:46:24:15 - 00:46:48:02
Jonathan Troen
And that's where there was an input. And you can't control the physiological response. It happens. It can change over years, over time. If you practice this pause, you might not have the same physiological response to the same input. Right. But you still can't control the response. So when we when we pause and observe it, it loses its control.

00:46:48:05 - 00:47:12:01
Jonathan Troen
If you continue to feel it, it's just because there was a new input and the new input was you. They did this. It's their fault. They don't care about me. They're mean, they're selfish. Or maybe it's you. You're stupid. You didn't hit record again yet it's still, You know what? Whatever it is, you had a typo in that email again.

00:47:12:25 - 00:47:30:13
Jonathan Troen
I mean, all that, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, it it's it's an additional input that you are creating on your own, and you don't have to create the new input. Now it's clear people say they did. They have to forget.

00:47:30:15 - 00:47:31:20
Suzanne Taylor-King
You have to.

00:47:31:22 - 00:47:57:25
Jonathan Troen
So, I would say it depends how you define it. And time and timing can change things. Sometimes you're just not ready that there's a part of you that needs to feel it more. Now, granted on last 90s, but give yourself the input so you can feel it more. That's okay. Maybe now is not the day, but I want to share this definition of forgiveness.

00:47:57:27 - 00:48:19:27
Jonathan Troen
I didn't make it okay. Forgiveness is giving up hope that the past can be different. Oh, forgiveness is giving up hope that the past can be down. So it doesn't mean what the other person did is okay. It doesn't mean what you did is okay either. And it simply recognizes the fact that the past can't be different.

00:48:20:00 - 00:48:38:18
Jonathan Troen
So with that definition, and when we when we replay, we're saying, well, if this hadn't happened ten years ago, my whole life would be different. Like now. Yeah, well that's true. If that person hadn't done what they did ten years ago, your life would be different right now if you had done something differently. You know, of ten years ago, five years ago yesterday, your life would be different now.

00:48:38:23 - 00:49:07:23
Jonathan Troen
It's true. But thinking that it it could be different doesn't make it different. So we have to give up hope that the past can be different so that we can start living today. So that's what lets these emotions release from our body. If you treat forgiveness in that respect then yes eventually we have to forgive. Maybe not today when it's so raw, but at some point you have to forgive.

00:49:07:23 - 00:49:26:18
Jonathan Troen
That includes your mother for passing too early. My parents for divorcing. This came up for me, a couple of years ago when my parents were alive. Who knows? Maybe. Let's see this. I haven't share this with them. But I've been practicing forgiveness for a while, and then, like this, something nagging at me. I'm trying to figure out what it is.

00:49:26:18 - 00:49:45:27
Jonathan Troen
Well, it came to me as. Oh, I need to forgive my parents for getting divorced. I didn't even know that was a thing, because I was really young when they got divorced, and I actually thought everybody's parents were divorced at one point. Just because you kind of think everyone's like, you are. My parents are divorced, everyone's parents are divorced, and I go to a friend's.

00:49:46:00 - 00:50:03:04
Jonathan Troen
Both parents are there. I'm like, what are both your parents doing here? I said, no, it's not how the world works, right? So yeah, I, I had to find for forgiveness. I said in the past tense, I am finding forgiveness for that sometimes. It's not overnight. If it's if it's,

00:50:03:06 - 00:50:35:04
Suzanne Taylor-King
Well, I, I like what you're saying because you're making me feel as though this forgiveness process is, is actually part of mindfulness and staying in the present moment. Because if we're not analyzing the past, we're not trying to change the past by, oh, how can I think about this enough that it actually changes what happens? It's actually helping you stay in the present moment in a different way.

00:50:35:07 - 00:50:58:28
Jonathan Troen
It is. I would agree. It's a form of mindfulness. It's accepting the current emotions you're having right now due to what happened. But as you said, well, it happened back then. So there's a new there's a new and put you just repeating it. So what am I feeling right now in this moment even though it's based on an old story.

00:50:59:00 - 00:51:25:14
Jonathan Troen
Yeah. That mindfulness right. Mindfulness is observation of the present moment. With a childlike curiosity without judgment. I kind of said it in reverse, but. But observation of the present moment without judgment, with a childlike curiosity. So when you can simply look at your, at your experiences with curiosity. Right. Yeah. We drove us avatars. The inner judge is the biggest of the saboteurs.

00:51:25:16 - 00:51:39:02
Jonathan Troen
So how do we replace judgment now? It's not that you're not going to judge. You're wired. You're just pre-wired to judge. It's evolutionary. You're not going to not judge. And you wouldn't want to because it protects you sometimes actually protects your life.

00:51:39:05 - 00:51:39:23
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yeah.

00:51:39:25 - 00:52:06:00
Jonathan Troen
That said, sometimes it doesn't make sense to judge every color of every house you go by. Well, I like that house, but that house is ugly. It like, it's just kind of a waste of time. You can replace it with curiosity. So when, when my son is, you know, going back to that, you know, it's 10:00 at night and it's an hour and a half past ed, past bedtime, and, I don't care.

00:52:06:00 - 00:52:13:03
Jonathan Troen
I'm the one that's tired. I'm exhausted. I want to go to bed and do it. Now. What he's done, I.

00:52:13:03 - 00:52:13:17
Suzanne Taylor-King
Don't care.

00:52:13:17 - 00:52:37:09
Jonathan Troen
What he's doing. As you know, I don't want to go to bed, so I don't have access to all of my faculties. So when I when I can notice it, I can pause, pause, first notice and then switch from judgment. Stop doing that to curiosity. Why is he doing that? What's he trying to discover? He's really f and creative.

00:52:37:12 - 00:52:59:12
Jonathan Troen
How to create curiosity. It's incredible because I learned so much. He's way smarter than I am, way more creative than I am, or were talented than I am. So when I can do that, I just learn a ton. And then I learn about him. Well, what what are his needs? Why is he really afraid to go to bed?

00:52:59:14 - 00:53:01:01
Suzanne Taylor-King
How old is he? Jonathan?

00:53:01:03 - 00:53:02:14
Jonathan Troen
He'll be ten.

00:53:02:17 - 00:53:04:02
Suzanne Taylor-King
Okay.

00:53:04:04 - 00:53:17:14
Jonathan Troen
Why? Why is he afraid to go? Is he afraid to go to bed? What can I learn about that? How can I help him? How can I help them be less afraid to go to bed? I don't really have an answer to that. But I can try things. I can talk to him about it. Are you just afraid to.

00:53:17:18 - 00:53:43:06
Jonathan Troen
Yeah. There are different ways to then approach the conversation. Or, you know, I'll ask what? What is the best thing I can do right now? This one doesn't happen as much, but. But it used to be if he was playing Legos, he couldn't stop until a part of that was done. So I could either argue with him for 20 minutes or less and go to bed, or I could sit with him and do the Legos for 20 minutes, and then he'd go to bed.

00:53:43:08 - 00:54:08:01
Jonathan Troen
So I that's what do I do, though? I'd argue for 20 minutes or just sit for 20 minutes and I got it. Let's sit for 20 minutes and boom, then he'd be done. Okay, I'm ready to go to bed. Yeah, yeah, we go to bed. So it's again, it's that present moment. It's a mindfulness. It's it's moving. From judgment to curiosity, from judgment to forgiveness to curiosity.

00:54:08:03 - 00:54:31:27
Jonathan Troen
And then we can get curious and ask, you know what? What's what's the best thing for me to do right now? Yeah. This is this is the most powerful question you can ever ask. What's my next best action? Oh, you will always get an answer 90% of the time. For maybe half of the time, you won't like the answer because it's something that's going to scare you and be difficult.

00:54:31:27 - 00:54:57:07
Jonathan Troen
It's not the easy thing, and it's 100% of the time. Wow. 99, let's say 99. Maybe there's a I you know, I try not to be so, hyperbolic, but 99% of the time, that is what you should be doing, and you're going to say, no, I'll do that. After you do, I will stuff, and then you do, I'll stop and you get to it.

00:54:57:10 - 00:55:15:21
Jonathan Troen
I'll do it tomorrow. You'll beat yourself up before you go to bed for not doing it. Yeah. You go through the whole cycle. It's the most powerful question you can ever ask. What is my next best action? And then you got to do it. And when it feels scary, observe the fear. I have a whole two hour class.

00:55:15:21 - 00:55:34:06
Jonathan Troen
Turn fear into a friend, right? So observe the fear and then do it anyway. Courage is the practice of being afraid and taking action anyway. Courage is not not being afraid. Practice. Courage card is a skill you can be practice. You get better at it the more you practice.

00:55:34:09 - 00:55:35:11
Suzanne Taylor-King
Yes, you do.

00:55:35:13 - 00:55:39:23
Jonathan Troen
Do the scary stuff. Anyway, I went off on a tangent. I don't even know how we got there.

00:55:39:23 - 00:55:57:21
Suzanne Taylor-King
Well, that's a perfect place to wrap up with a tangible thing for our listeners to go do go practice that today, Jonathan, where can everybody get in touch with you and follow your wisdom online?

00:55:57:24 - 00:56:19:03
Jonathan Troen
Yeah. You can find me at Self-love revolution.com. Hit the button, says Join the Revolution. You can find me on all the regular places you know, Facebook and Instagram. Reach out to me. I'd love to hear from you. But yeah, go to self-love revolution.com. Hit that button that says Join the Revolution. Would love to have you in our community.

00:56:19:05 - 00:56:37:07
Suzanne Taylor-King
I love it, I'm on it today. Everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in today for this engaging and enlightening conversation with Jonathan. Jonathan, thank you for being here. I appreciate you and our new connection. Look forward to more conversations.

00:56:37:10 - 00:56:40:13
Jonathan Troen
Thank you so much for having me. It's truly been a joy.

00:56:40:13 - 00:57:08:06
Suzanne Taylor-King
Thank you for tuning in to another empowering episode of Unlock Your Way. I hope you found today's discussion inspiring, and you're ready to take your business and personal growth to that next level. If you're feeling is fired up as I am and eager to unlock that full potential, I'm here to help you on your journey and provide that personalized guidance tailored to your unique goals and challenges.

00:57:08:08 - 00:57:35:00
Suzanne Taylor-King
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00:57:35:03 - 00:58:14:00
Suzanne Taylor-King
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